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Re: wassup?
Mon, July 26, 2004 - 3:44 PMTribe.Net just ain't what it used to be. I think everyone got jobs...more likely than everyone got lives. -
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Re: wassup?
Tue, July 27, 2004 - 9:04 AMShows it's workin' then. Hey, wish I could find a job here.
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Re: wassup?
Thu, July 29, 2004 - 9:17 AMJames,
I agree with your observation. What can be done about it? -
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Re: wassup?
Thu, July 29, 2004 - 10:32 PMMaybe it was the profileration of other sites, lack of funding for advertising, lack of diversity in site function and content, and the requirement for the need of redundent entry just to reach another set of contacts...maybe we could make an app that could help you with blog membership accross sites, like a trillian for your blogs. In short I guess I'm suggesting make blogging easier to use while exponentully increasing its reward...if someone does this I would like to help in the development and maybe get some credit for it :-)) -
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 7:00 AMWell as for me, I think it has only to do with the previously "exclusive" feel of the site. When there weren't many users, it was probably more appealing to heavy-hitters and big thinkers. More of a private club... -
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 8:05 AMI don't agree with either. I think Tribe (as with other YASNS) is a kind of "first day in the new school" phenomenon.
When you join, you don't know anybody. The first instinct is to hook up with some groups. So you run around trying to find other new kids who also don't seem to know anyone and seem a bit like you.
You make "friends". You hang in the same tribes. You talk about the things you have in common. And at this point it's intoxicating, because you really are meeting new, interesting people. For me Tribe was definitely the fastest way I ever had of making good online aquaintances.
But then, once you have your group, the pressure falls off. You know who your clique is on Tribe. You aren't so attentive to the new face with only one friend, who says something interesting in one of your tribes.
You start to have a *history*. Conversations with some people have spread over months and multiple tribes. Newbies and strangers are less interesting. The barrier to entry for new people in your social horizon is higher.
But beyond social networking, Tribe is just another discussion forum. Once you stop chasing around looking for new freinds, then the forums may or may not be particularly different or better than others. I read blogs from or have wiki discussions with some of my Tribe friends more than I interact here.
So Tribe's character changes as you change. And possibly it's value falls off as you "mature". Maybe that's a flaw with Tribe. Perhaps it needs to take it to the next level, offer more services for those who want to create deeper communities.
For example, Wendell, I admit I lost touch with Matador. And I haven't seen much activity in the Tribe. I guess this has moved to a web-site. But if Tribe offered more SourceForge type facilities like a CVS tree, would Matador have continued here? -
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 8:18 AMPhil, that's a very insightful post, and I would highly recommend you forward it to Mark Canter or Walter or one of the other Tribe brethren. It might give them some thoughts into the future direction of this thing...
Speaking of all of this made me think--I can imagine Google putting "tribe-like" functionality on top of Google Groups someday. That could be very interesting. Maybe there's room for a third party to make such a tool, although I'll bet Alexa already covers much of that ground.
Anyway, indeed--Matador was moved to a more flexible private space, and I think we probably WOULD have kept on going if Tribe offered something like that. We already had people with great ideas and a lot of insight... Then again I went through a (since departed) period of paranoia about the idea being impossible to commercialize if its bowels are made open to the public. ;-)
-W
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 10:28 AMnotes on improved functionality:
"You start to have a *history*. Conversations with some people have spread over months and multiple tribes."
-- Some type of profile inclusion of conversation history needs to be implememented so as to allow others faster insight to ones profile and means of thinking and intrests. May include link to thread, may include ranking to highlight one's self choosen "moments of personal insight" perhaps providing means for others in friends to hightlight discussions that give insight to the friend's thinking of the person and their friendship.
"Newbies and strangers are less interesting. The barrier to entry for new people in your social horizon is higher."
-- Some type of initiation survey/questionairre to develop group/individual tribe membership profile. A person has an identitiy as individual (psychology), as a member of a group (sociology - features shared accross all memebrs), and as an individual in a group (social psychology - unquie differencies that allow for branching into associations with other groups). New people and strangers have the potential to offer rewarding experiences but not the understanding and historical experience to know how to interface and interact with new members.
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 11:55 AMYeah, but my suspicion is still that the problem isn't lack of technical solutions about how to find out about new people. It's a human psyhological issue : once we have some friends, our need to search out and find more, decreases.
I don't think Tribe does a bad job of letting people who are in the market for new friends find them. People with similar interests join tribes about those topics, and post to them. You start to see postings from those people, and you get in touch.
What we're worrying about here, is that once you've got friends, Tribe loses it's allure. Tribe needs ways of holding the attention of longer term users, and allowing them to use Tribe for deepening the communities beyond mere discussion. Tribe provides great group-forming, but once those groups exist, doesn't allow people to built much more on them.
If I were Tribe I'd :
* definitely bring more *types* of collaboration software to users. I'd like to see all tribes have a wiki, editable by members, as a place to build their longer term documentation. The tribal mythology. (But I accept that as a wiki fanatic, I'm biased here :-) Probably a tribe blog too. And bookmark sharing.
* I think Paul Townsend has done an amazing thing on tribeVoters.tribe.net by showing there's a demand for polls and questionaires. Tribe should immedietely implement that, maybe based on Paul's notation. (And if they were smart they might instigate some kind of prize for people who've built stuff using Tribe as a platform, and give the first one to Paul. Hint ;-)
* They could clearly set up more specialized kinds of services for tribe members. Eg. CVS repositories and bug-trackers for geeks. More sophisticated photo-sharing or calendaring for other tribes. One interesting thing Tribe might do is allocate tribes points and let them spend them on software enhancements for their tribe. Make some kind of game out of point collecting and spending. Or allow some tribes to choose to sell advertising on their forums and share the money received. (Or earn points from that.)
* Do a deal with someone like CafePress or similar print-on-demand service to let tribes produce merchandise and sell it.
* Enter into other agreements to help tribes do stuff together in the real world. Maybe members of particular tribe want to meet up somewhere, Tribe could act as the agent for their hotel, tavel booking etc. If members of a tribe want to collect money to buy and preserve a bit of endangered forest, maybe Tribe can co-ordinate that, too. -
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Re: wassup?
Fri, July 30, 2004 - 6:25 PMgood ideas there phil. i've been away for over a month, but i chalk that up to the summer. and i'm sure i'm not the only one who'd rather be grilling burgers friday evening than hanging out, even if it's over on flirting shamelessly.
ironically, i've heard more about linked from friends recently. could it be that these things actually benefit if they show a purpose and function?
i hope not, and rather doubt not. if tribe's taking a breather at the moment, i bet it's just a big inhalation... after which often follows a shitload of activity. wait till after burning man!
cheers,
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Re: wassup?
Mon, August 2, 2004 - 10:56 PMI agree, good ideas.
Wendell, I'm sorry I lost touch. I'm still under-employed and still trying to determine how to keep a roof over my head so my energies are definitely focused on survival.
Phil, I hope you get something.
Hey, I am working with Marc on PeopleAggregator and devoting some of my energies there, but this is for experience and skill building and not for money.
But I do wish there were a way for guys who are countries away to work in a group and do something commercial and split the spoils. I know we are going to be doing this in the future, I just don't know when.
But Phil is right, I kind of work with guys I know and watch for their comments or read their blogs. Until Phil mentioned it, I didn't really realize how the barriers had gone up. I have noticed some good comments, but I'm not as quick to make an overture as I was in the beginning.
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Re: wassup?
Mon, November 15, 2004 - 12:41 AMHiya all,
am in full swing getting a new, UK based business going,
which means I'm all ears for suggestions how to proceed with this tribe, to be honest, I will not for the foreseeable future have time to moderate this tribe, as I would like to.
Would really like to stay in touch with people I've connected with in this tribe, just message and lets keep each other in the loop as much as possible.
Good posts everyone.
J
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