Manifesto

topic posted Mon, October 13, 2003 - 1:11 PM by  John
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Here I'd like us to brainstorm on possible 95 theses for the emerging glocal conversation.

It would be very cool if even these would be up for grabs, continually revising, and improving it as a living document.

Social thoughtware !
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John
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  • Re: Manifesto

    Mon, October 13, 2003 - 5:58 PM
    an you elaborate on "possible 95 theses for the emerging glocal conversation"
    • Re: Manifesto

      Tue, October 14, 2003 - 2:19 AM
      Building upon the cluetrain theses,
      how can we craft the next version ?

      Maybe an analogy :

      The Clutrain Theses, the first break with a dated, no longer relevant business conversation.

      Step two, The Social Networking/Blogging scene, the switching back and forth between belonging and ego, between speaking one's own truth, and searching for likeminded people. Cue tribe.

      The Glocal Conversation, people all over actually gettting stuff done, with their individual passion, yet coordinating their efforts.

      My take here is we will probably search in vain for a certain path through the current complexity of blogtribedom. Something will emerge.

      The way to go, as I see it, would be agreeing on how we want to seed the possible emergence, finding out what wants to be created through us, as evolutionary (k)nodes,and then just start doing it, one doable step at a time, with a iteratively updated living document to reflect how we want to get stuff done.
      • Re: Manifesto

        Tue, October 14, 2003 - 2:21 AM
        Forgot to post the cluetrain manifesto, here :
        www.cluetrain.com/
        • Re: Manifesto

          Sat, November 15, 2003 - 2:21 AM
          Phil posted recently a set of theses that IMO would
          be good to copy over here.
          If that sounds like a plan I´ll do that,
          and start to filll out more,
          and, do feel free to add a thesis or three,
          anything you consider important to firm this up.
  • Re: Manifesto

    Tue, November 18, 2003 - 1:14 AM
    Theses, contributed by Phil J over at the sensemaking topic,
    posted here by John K.

    Thesis 1)

    Glocal Conversation is NOT a software project.

    There are software projects appearing here on Tribe. Some like matador.tribe.net seem to be generating a lot of energy.

    Glocal Conversation may include the same people as these projects, may encourage those projects, but it isn't meant to deliver a piece of software.

    Thesis 2)

    Glocal Conversation is NOT a standards project. It's not promoting a file format or protocol like FOAF. As before, the same people might be members of a standards project like FOAF. And GC may use these standards, but we're not trying to deliver one ourselves.

    Thesis 3)

    Glocal Conversation IS a group of people. In other words, GC is NOT just a *theory* of how people will use the new capability of the internet to work together in interesting ways which is independent of the members. The members matter. For some reason.

    Thesis 4)

    Glocal Conversation has some kind of constitution. And membership of the group is open to anyone, but contingent on not violating those rules. If you stop observing the rules, you are no longer a member.

    Thesis 5)

    Now, it seems from John's recommendations, that the overall aims are hedonistic, to create fun and happiness. But this is NOT, say, a party organizing tribe, nor polyf*ckery. (And presumably not just because we're located on different continents.)

    It has something to do with *work* and making *work* more fun. Or meaningful.

    Thesis 6)

    It MIGHT be something like a market, or an exchange or a recruitment site. Where you can try to find a job or offer a service. And it may be that what makes it different from other similar sites or Tribe's own listings, is that more restrictive constitution.

    We agree to abide by narrower rules. And if we don't, we'll be ejected. This, then, would be GC's "unique selling point". Buy here and get the GC seal of approval. Working with or for this person will increase your happiness.

    This makes it a bit like my reading of www.xpertweb.com, who's constitution states that payment for services depends on the assessment of the work done. If you work for me, and I don't like it, I pay you less.

    (Supplimentary question. John, are you another Ming the Mechanic? And if not, what would you say the differences are?)

    Thesis 7)

    If that's what Glocal Conversation is. Then, as a pre-requisite, we need some reputation management before we really start. This might be as simple as John keeping a list of members who are in good standing and abiding by the constitution. Or turning this tribe into a moderated one.

    That way, he'd be able to throw out constitution breakers if there are complaints about them.

    Alternatively there may be some other reputation management systems out there we can use. But SOMEONE has to run one before GC really comes into existence.

    Thesis 8)

    If Glocal Conversation is NOT a market. Then it needs something else to organize around. Otherwise the conversation here will leak across into other conversational spaces which are more tightly focused. And the group will lose it's coherence.


    • Re: Manifesto

      Fri, November 28, 2003 - 4:58 PM
      Going at anything alone is against our human nature. We do things best in groups. We are the most successful superorganism the world has ever known, with capabilites of working together that took us to the moon! Am I to believe so many people are out of work because someone doesn't have something to tell them they could do? "We" can do anything and so we should shoot for taking all to the dreams past the moon and beyond the stars. Humans are not inherantly greedy (a stratagy that in a large population or heavy demand on limited resources is counterproductive), instead we achieve accomplishments by collaborating efforts torwards result. I do not think this neccessarally means we need supervision. If we have geninue desire to help and participate in what we find as worthwhile pursuits towards fulling and meaningful use of our talents, intrests, and resources as the best of all reward.
      By participating in multiple activities and different efforts we can ensure variety and practicality of effecient enmass network response communication. All it takes is a common agreement to be humble and ernest in our interactions and utitlization of our talents and resources.
      These social network websites are a good start. Could you imagne how well services like these could work if they could be used for collaborative workgroup team project separating and sharing efforts? Suppose a group of music teachers wanted to incorporate efforts to share and schedule studio space/ equipment/ time/ talents/ crediability by accomplishment/ etc. to be able to offer a least minimum initial capital cost model, also utitlizing found network resources and recycling those resources across multiple directional efforts and activities to lower overhead.
      Obviously alone these are near impossible odds to overcome as an individual or even as a group unless undiscovered talent lays waiting to found. Maybe one of them might know how to program a database but does not know to create a website. What if one of them knew how to build a website but neither of them knew anything about accounting? What if the music teacher intrested in or with past experience as a database programmer could enlist the services of the database programmers group to create a project workgroup to build the group a database. What if the member willing to be the accounting group resource lieason lead of the group to the accounting group could do the same, and the website creator, etc.
      Depending on the rarity of the talent speciality or the proiliferation of the participation by a group-willing network to reach talents and oppertunites, it could not only be able but, also is more likely possible to offer a viaiable service solutions for the original music teachers. It is also the most likely method of being able to offer a more probable solution to the sceniero of offering all groups, internal and extenernal, accessibilty to the service by community group efforts. Talent and resources are never exshausted, they are spread and nurtured, it is organized for maximized effectiveness of use through sharing pooled achievments, and making ideas of innovation accessible from the most sources.
      Maybe some project members could meet that would be willing to use one member's garage appartment as studio space, maybe some get married, or even just aggree to be try being able to share in living at one members house to use the other's members house as a large school space. What if clients also agreed to provide space and equipment for classes as part of service?
      It statisticly makes sense. It might also sound too "Utopia". Does it sound like it can't be done? Do puzzle pieces have to also show the whole puzzle's picture or does a steering wheel need to know about pistons or need to be specificly designed for emissions? Of course not. All that needs to be done is something, anything one can. I'm betting it wouldn't hurt to try? It helps to realize you don't have to have an answer. If there was a single "true" answer, it wouldn't be a question. Its not about what is right or wrong, its about trying to get things done, its about what is and isn't, and its about providing all what can and needs to be.
      We are all willing to do something all it takes doing is what it is you do and being able to contact and add to groups also working at or willing to try to work at and/or share with as well. Eventual dissolution by task completetion, so as to offer service to public domain for re-use, restoring and recycling, is a most important commitment. Afterall if your not going to accommplish what your working on and it couldn't help out some collective effort or maybe person or people, what are you doing? Why not help? Its how we got here, and its how we have any chance of progressing anywhere.
      To me it is like the idea of "It takes a tribe to raise a child"...today children hardly have a family much less an intrested communitity that could help rear them. The oppertunities of talents they posses wasted by socital diefeciency at value recognition and thus unnuturing neglect and overall group hinderance through loss of those possibilities. What if a collaborative group-willing network effort share could recapture thoses chances and in the process could promote better ones. Where couldn't we go? What couldn't be done?
      LOGIC
      Humans existed before "money". Societies existed before corporate business. MUSIC WAS MADE BEFORE RECORD COMPANIES EXISTED!!! What would we do without someone telling us what to do? Is anyone brave enough to muse with me about a world we will lose if we can not see?

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