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Over on the "wassup" thread Gilton says something important.
"But I do wish there were a way for guys who are countries away to work in a group and do something commercial and split the spoils. I know we are going to be doing this in the future, I just don't know when."
I think it's not a question of when, but how. The truth is, we all intuit something like this might be possible. But no-one actually knows how to do it. I think there are several issues.
1) People who are attracted to this are, by temperament, bigger on long term thinking / day-dreaming than actual practicalities.
(Let's admit this ... and I definitely include myself.) After all, the nice thing about the vision is that you should be able to do just the "hanging out online chatting when you feel like it" stuff and it should *still* count as work.
2) The infrastructure isn't quite there yet.
3) No one actually has good business models.
So, this thread is for trying to solve these problems and brainstorming how a bunch of people, on separate countries, who don't really know each other that well, and who are mainly not too focussed on practical stuff, can work together to earn money.
We need answers to the following practical questions :
* how to turn our weaknesses into strengths.
* what pieces of the infrastructure are missing? (I mean, we can presumably all get a paypal account, and collect money that way. But what else is missing?)
* how to build trust
* what business needs a swarm of flaky visionaries? And how do you convince customers that they do?
My suggestion on www.tribe.net/tribe/servl...iewThread.vm
was one attempt to solve the problem. But it didn't seem to get people's enthusiasm. Maybe it seemed too much commitment and there was still the "who do we trust with the money" thing. And, of course, the cost / benefit ratio wasn't that good. Or maybe it was just lack of a good theme.
So other suggestions, thoughts?
"But I do wish there were a way for guys who are countries away to work in a group and do something commercial and split the spoils. I know we are going to be doing this in the future, I just don't know when."
I think it's not a question of when, but how. The truth is, we all intuit something like this might be possible. But no-one actually knows how to do it. I think there are several issues.
1) People who are attracted to this are, by temperament, bigger on long term thinking / day-dreaming than actual practicalities.
(Let's admit this ... and I definitely include myself.) After all, the nice thing about the vision is that you should be able to do just the "hanging out online chatting when you feel like it" stuff and it should *still* count as work.
2) The infrastructure isn't quite there yet.
3) No one actually has good business models.
So, this thread is for trying to solve these problems and brainstorming how a bunch of people, on separate countries, who don't really know each other that well, and who are mainly not too focussed on practical stuff, can work together to earn money.
We need answers to the following practical questions :
* how to turn our weaknesses into strengths.
* what pieces of the infrastructure are missing? (I mean, we can presumably all get a paypal account, and collect money that way. But what else is missing?)
* how to build trust
* what business needs a swarm of flaky visionaries? And how do you convince customers that they do?
My suggestion on www.tribe.net/tribe/servl...iewThread.vm
was one attempt to solve the problem. But it didn't seem to get people's enthusiasm. Maybe it seemed too much commitment and there was still the "who do we trust with the money" thing. And, of course, the cost / benefit ratio wasn't that good. Or maybe it was just lack of a good theme.
So other suggestions, thoughts?
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Tue, August 3, 2004 - 8:12 AMThese are my brainstorming thoughts.
My recent thought is that perhaps we should start less formally with favours, gifts etc. In many cases prices can be a difficult thing so operating without them can be more efficient.
One thing that we can help each other with are computer problems, there are many sites dedicated to every kind of computer problems but when recently I had some Linux problems and posted my questions on some Linux forum the answers were a bit shallow, I felt they did not take into account that I am a rather experienced Linux user so the basic information they provided was redundant and I've allready tried all of what was proposed. Apparently the sites concentrate on the subject, but I think this process could be improved if the information about the people involved was as well taken into account.
How about sending each other some physical things? This can be fun what you think? I was recently at my family in another country, I need to tell you that the gift giving was really much of fun and when I analyze that I come to the conclusion that all that fun was caused by the differences, by the suprises and the possibility to get something really valuable for you. Of course gift giving inside the family was much more safe than here on the internet where the cheaters can benefit from the scale issues, but for many people here I have accumulated quite a lot of trust.
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 4, 2004 - 6:47 PMI at one time envisioned the following cluster.tribe.net/tribe/ser...wThread.vm
at Alternative Money tribe as well as a monster garage model for collaboration and sharing work and rewards. I think building a libarery of tools (I could use an istant and intelligent spell checker) for common use helps as well as maybe a means to income apart from shared work on projects.
I don't think the technology is insifficent, I mean if you think about it the ability has always been their but the expertise needed was great and the tools were simple. This is not the case now. The open source philosophy has worked been a great example but has developed so far that the entry barrier is high and now requires zelot entusiasm to gain medicority. It is also a catch 22 that anything really worth doing and that would make more than a virtual impact would require physical interaction when we build the program that can build its own functionality we would have to step away from the computer. It is not only doable but it is being donw. The real question is how to do it the best. I think anyways...should really stop doing that brain hurts..
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 4, 2004 - 6:57 PMfrom aforementioned link to post
"By participating in multiple activities and different efforts we can ensure variety and practicality of effecient enmass network response communication. All it takes is a common agreement to be humble and ernest in our interactions and utitlization of our talents and resources.
These social network websites are a good start. Could you imagne how well services like these could work if they could be used for collaborative workgroup team project separating and sharing efforts? Suppose a group of music teachers wanted to incorporate efforts to share and schedule studio space/ equipment/ time/ talents/ crediability by accomplishment/ etc. to be able to offer a least minimum initial capital cost model, also utitlizing found network resources and recycling those resources across multiple directional efforts and activities to lower overhead.
Obviously alone these are near impossible odds to overcome as an individual or even as a group unless undiscovered talent lays waiting to found. Maybe one of them might know how to program a database but does not know to create a website. What if one of them knew how to build a website but neither of them knew anything about accounting? What if the music teacher intrested in or with past experience as a database programmer could enlist the services of the database programmers group to create a project workgroup to build the group a database. What if the member willing to be the accounting group resource lieason lead of the group to the accounting group could do the same, and the website creator, etc.
Depending on the rarity of the talent speciality or the proiliferation of the participation by a group-willing network to reach talents and oppertunites, it could not only be able but, also is more likely possible to offer a viaiable service solutions for the original music teachers. It is also the most likely method of being able to offer a more probable solution to the sceniero of offering all groups, internal and extenernal, accessibilty to the service by community group efforts. Talent and resources are never exshausted, they are spread and nurtured, it is organized for maximized effectiveness of use through sharing pooled achievments, and making ideas of innovation accessible from the most sources.
Maybe some project members could meet that would be willing to use one member's garage appartment as studio space, maybe some get married, or even just aggree to be try being able to share in living at one members house to use the other's members house as a large school space. What if clients also agreed to provide space and equipment for classes as part of service?
It statisticly makes sense. It might also sound too "Utopia". Does it sound like it can't be done? Do puzzle pieces have to also show the whole puzzle's picture or does a steering wheel need to know about pistons or need to be specificly designed for emissions? Of course not. All that needs to be done is something, anything one can. "
Maybe we need to ask other tribes for problems to solve...dreamers and programmers usually help or fix problems..we need some problems to solve.
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Sat, August 7, 2004 - 5:40 PMI notice on eBay people auction web-design services ... eg. cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll
(NOT recommending these people, just picked them as an example)
So a group of technical minded people might be able to devise some kind of service they could offer and sell it like this. -
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Knowledge brokering
Mon, August 9, 2004 - 4:14 AMHiya all !
first apologies for being scarce here,
one of the prime reasons being I'm building a company
that when all is ready for the market, one of the potential
uses will be as a knowledge brokering system.
There are lots of reasons I'm holding back on getting live,
legal, functional, conceptual,
basically I want to make sure everything works first :-)
There is also a huge, as of yet unsolved issue of IPR and legalities wrt to knowledge transfer between different SNSs
possibly I'll know more next year, legalities take an almost infinite amount of time I'm afraid,
still a future open knowledge brokering system will be IMO,
worth the wait.
John
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 1:38 PMSomething like this also exists at Scriptlance - www.scriptlance.com
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 2:21 PMWell job-markets are one way of co-ordinating people's work.
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 3:35 PMMust be said, I thought this scriptlance site looked interesting. But either it's broken or they don't actually have any projets needing programmers.
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 3:41 PMYeah but I'm here primarily to network. I've found Tribe.net to be a very useful resource especially for getting business advice. -
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 5:19 PMthanks for being honest. But what's the actual status of scriptlance? It would be nice to see some kind of count / browse the jobs currently available rather than doing fruitless searches. -
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Re: Beyond talking ...
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 11:50 AMI don't run Scriptlance neither have I done any freelancing through the site. However like you said, I also agree that if it were organized into categories it would make a lot of sense.
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